Saturday 1 August 2015

Michael Davitt Interviewed June 1, 1895.

*THE WORKER*
BRISBANE, JUNE 1, 1895.


Michael Davitt Interviewed.

Interviewed in Melbourne, Mr. Davitt is reported to have expressed the belief that Australia was not anything like as distressed as he had been assured, and added that the condition of labour appeared to be improving, and the unemployed were decreasing, although it would be years no doubt before a complete return to prosperity would be enjoyed by some of the colonies. Asked about the position of the Labour movement in Europe, Mr. Davitt said that the workers were not contented. The pictures of the socialistic future drawn by the advanced leaders in Europe had accentuated their sense of dissatisfaction and they were determined to make a bold move for redress.
In what direction!” was asked.
Well,” replied Mr. Davitt, “I believe the solution of the Labour movement lies in the nationalisation of the land. That is the crying need for Labour in Europe. If the land were in the hands of the State there would be no more of those agrarian outrages which made every humanitarian grieve. The unemployed would be contented in work and a large amount, if not all, of the misery now to be seen on all sides, removed.”
Of course,” Mr. Davitt was asked, “the hours of labour are also involved in the unemployed question.”
Yes,” replied Mr. Davitt, “the question of the regulation of hours is of supremest importance. The eight-hours movement has made strides in Europe and wonderful progress in Australia, and the more general its operation the more beneficial both for the working classes and the people generally.”
Are you a compulsory eight-hours supporter, Mr. Davitt?”
I am. I have always regarded the movement as one that should have the most general support. Of course people say it is absurd to arbitrarily impose the eight hours system in all classes of work; but that is too often an adroit plea by which employers succeed in keeping their employe's at hard labour for unconsciously long hours. There are, no doubt, some cases in which eight hours would, perhaps, be cumbersome, and in those cases common-sense should dictate action; but generally I am for its compulsory application. I believe it is a far more important question even than it is generally regarded. The question of hours goes very close to the root of the labour question, because involved in it is not only the unemployed, but also the education and happiness of present workers, and the condition also of the workers to come.”
Is it true,” the representative asked, “as Mr. Moreton Frowen has stated recently, that in European labour circles the greatest importance is attached to the question of Bimetallism, and that all the Labour organisations have affirmed the principle?”
Mr. Davitt's bright eyes glistened in a merry laughter. “That is absurd,” he declared. “I do not believe in it, and I do not think the workers of England and Ireland believe that at a time when gold buys more of life's comforts than it ever did before. It would be wise to remonetise silver, no doubt, but comparatively few English workers believe in Bimetallism – that is because the question has been boomed somewhat in the English press to my mind, though it is far too complicated for the generality of English workers. If silver were remonetised, gold would fall to the extent of silver's appreciation, and there would be no guarantee under such circumstances that the worker would be as well off.”
In Australia,” the representative said, “you are not regarded as a Socialist as we understand the term.”
In England,” replied Mr. Davitt, “there are sections of Socialists, and it is difficult to precisely bind yourself to any one of them. I profess, without actually calling myself a Socialist, that I am favourable to everything good and practicable in the Socialist programme, while adhering to what I conceive to be good under the present Individualist system. I would nationalise the railways, land, the minerals, the canals and so on. I believe the nationalisation of the land would destroy the competition now prevailing. Land is the great primary source of production, and nationalised would be absolutely at Labour's disposal, and if so the Labour problem would be nine-tenths solved. I will not say that the same would apply in Australia; in fact, I think the remedies applied in places of small population should differ completely from those applied in congested centres.”
Of course you believe, Mr. Davitt, in the minimum rate of wages?”
I do heartily,” was his reply. “It has been applied in the London County Council and in other parts of England, and its working has been most encouraging. The workers have benefited by its operations considerably. The minimum is a weapon which Providence seems to have put into Labour's hands to deal a fatal blow sooner or later to the sweating masters.”
You have taken a keen interest in prison reform in England?”
Naturally,” replied the ex-resident of Portland, with a grin laugh. “There has been a Royal Commission in England to inquire into the prison system, appointed by the Home Secretary, in consequence of the startling revelations of the Daily Chronicle. I gave evidence. The article I wrote for the 'Nineteenth Century' three or four months ago was my brief for the evidence I gave.”
What is your attitude?”
The old prison system, which has existed under the regime of Sir Edmund du Cane – who has since resigned – is founded on harsh repression and utterly inhuman treatment. One of the worst features of it is that no prisoner during his sentence shall be allowed to speak to any other prisoner under penalty of punishment. It is a barbarous rule. It is a prolific source of prison offence without having any compensating advantage or rational justification. I also protested against compelling a prisoner, during the first ten months of his imprisonment, to spend it in solitary confinement, engaged upon hard, useless, and meaningless labour. I tell you” (this with great earnestness) “ I have, during the time I was in prison, seen men driven mad by this abominable and inhuman system. I have advocated that rational industrialism shall be introduced into our prison system. By that I mean that prisoners should be part to useful industries, so that a man may know that he is doing good work and improving himself, and fitting himself to be a better citizen. Prison discipline should be reformatory, not merely repressive; and I am glad to hear that a new system is to be inaugurated in England.”
Mr. Davitt, when questioned regarding the position of the English Labour Party generally, said that the worst feature of the movement in England was the division amongst the leaders. There were too many sections, he asserted, and if they but combined they would be able to effect for Labour reforms which would almost revolutionise the condition of the masses.

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The following lines appear on the address from the Victorian Democrats to Michael Davitt, and are by Mr. Drake:

Times are changing, thoughts are ranging
Over land and over sea.
Hearts are beating, hands are meeting
In the cause of Liberty.
Honour speedeth, him who leadeth,
Brethren on to win the fight,
Self-denying or bravely dying.
In the strife 'twixt Might and Right.

Morn is breaking, Men are waking
From the sleep of apathy.
Truth is calling, chains are falling
From the forms which should be free.
Now united, wrongs are righted,
Truth tho' crushed can never fail.
Foes no longer, men are stronger
For the cause that must prevail.

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Letter from Michael Davitt.

The secretary of the Brisbane District Council of the A.L.F. has received the following letter from Michael Davitt:-
Advocate Office, Melbourne, May 22, 1895.
My Dear Sir, - I am grateful for the kind greeting extended to me by the Brisbane District Council of the Australian Labour Federation, and I beg to thank the members of that body, through you, for this mark of their courtesy.
In reply to your inquiry as to the probable date of my arrival in Brisbane, I wish to say that I have wired to some friends in your city 1st of September next. This, however, is conjecture only, as my invitations are so numerous in this and other colonies I am unable to arrange with any degree of certainty the exact date when I can start from New South Wales for Queensland. It is also possible I may be in a position to reach your colony in August. I hope to be able to stay for a month or five weeks. - Yours truly, MICHAEL DAVITT.
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THE English House of Commons has agreed to the second reading of a bill referring to arbitration and the assessment of compensation to outgoing tenants for permanent improvements effected by them. This will very much interest some of the tenant farmers on the sugar plantations of Queensland who have to sign such an ironclad agreement, the like of which Irish landlords never dared to enforce in the worst of times.  

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